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so cardinal joseph ratzinger seemed an obvious choice. this time there is no such obvious front runner and no simple, single, overriding issue that's driving the reflection, which is why a lot of us believe this conclave may be a little bit more complex and it may take a little bit longer for the cardinals to reach consensus. >> all right. all right, john, let's come back here to new york for a second. melinda, let me ask you, when you're looking at this from the outside, other than the timing which you know i'm completely obsessed with, that's mainly because i have to figure out when i have to get to rome, but when we're looking at what might be different this time, that's the excitement, right? what are you looking at from the outside? what do you think the possibilities here are? and are we being too excited? >> in terms of the candidates or in terms of what we're going to see going forward? >> because pope benedict has created precedent here by saying i'm resigning, this is the best thing for the church, will that idea, what's best fo
so cardinal joseph ratzinger seemed an obvious choice. this time there is no such obvious front runner and no simple, single, overriding issue that's driving the reflection, which is why a lot of us believe this conclave may be a little bit more complex and it may take a little bit longer for the cardinals to reach consensus. >> all right. all right, john, let's come back here to new york for a second. melinda, let me ask you, when you're looking at this from the outside, other than the...
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ratzinger was the last time around. but there are perhaps two or three figures one could say are the next tier down. cardinal angelo shokoal, cardin mark willet, who runs the power for bishops, a deeply spiritual figure and perhaps leonardo sandri, a career vatican official a man that brings the first world and the third world together. we shall see if one of those guys breaks through. >> reporter: indeed and, of course, there may even be a cardinal from the third world, the developing world, who might be elevated. we're going to interview the american cardinal timothy dolan in a few hours from now. we'll have that live on cnn and he's used an awful lot of colorful language to insist he's not the next pope. but his name is constantly cropping up as well. soledad? >> we're already taking bets on who the next successor will be, i'm not surprised about that, guys, thank you. pope benedict xvi will be staying at the picturesque castel gandolfo, southeast of rome. it's a small castle thtle and b anderson is there for us now.
ratzinger was the last time around. but there are perhaps two or three figures one could say are the next tier down. cardinal angelo shokoal, cardin mark willet, who runs the power for bishops, a deeply spiritual figure and perhaps leonardo sandri, a career vatican official a man that brings the first world and the third world together. we shall see if one of those guys breaks through. >> reporter: indeed and, of course, there may even be a cardinal from the third world, the developing...
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. >> reporter: now, born joseph ratzinger the german became pope in april 2005 when the cardinals elected him to succeed pope john paul ii. this decision means that the catholic church will be without a pope for a period of time until the cardinals can select a new successor. live in san francisco, cate caugiran, kpix 5. >>> a manhunt continues in southern california for the ex- lapd officer they say has already killed three people. a reported sighting in northridge was a false alarm. it's now been eight days since police say christopher dorner killed his first two victims. lapd was on high alert for the grammys. los angeles officials announced a $1 million reward and it cops as the search for the former officer winds down in the mountains east of l.a. meantime, l.a.'s police chief has reopened an investigation into the circumstances of dorner's firing. >> if he was to give himself up, we would be glad to listen to what he has to say. >> dorner claims he was fired for reporting a fellow officer for excessive force. the last clue investigators have of dorner's whereabouts was thursday when
. >> reporter: now, born joseph ratzinger the german became pope in april 2005 when the cardinals elected him to succeed pope john paul ii. this decision means that the catholic church will be without a pope for a period of time until the cardinals can select a new successor. live in san francisco, cate caugiran, kpix 5. >>> a manhunt continues in southern california for the ex- lapd officer they say has already killed three people. a reported sighting in northridge was a false...
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friends who worked with then cardinal joseph ratzinger in the vatican knew that but prior to that no one knew. popes don't face the same pressure to reveal medical records ads presidents or presidential candidates and i would suggest that today's revelation may well add some pressure that some cardinals are already feeling to be more concerned about potential health problems of men that may be considering to succeed benedict xvi. >> john allen reporting live from the vatican. >>> today in chicago two gang members are due in court charged with the murder that has become a keystone in the national debate over gun violence. they're accused of shooting 15-year-old honor student hadiya pendleton days after she performed at a lunch in washington during inauguration week. she died a mile from her chicago home. >> michael ward has confessed and indicated that has ddiya wa not the intended target. in fact the offenders had it all wrong. they thought the group they shot into included members of a rival gang. instead it was a group of upstanding, determined kids, like hadiya, were repulsed by t
friends who worked with then cardinal joseph ratzinger in the vatican knew that but prior to that no one knew. popes don't face the same pressure to reveal medical records ads presidents or presidential candidates and i would suggest that today's revelation may well add some pressure that some cardinals are already feeling to be more concerned about potential health problems of men that may be considering to succeed benedict xvi. >> john allen reporting live from the vatican. >>>...
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>> we thought after john paul ii it would be a long conclave and they quickly elected joseph ratzinger. they might have one candidate that stands out and they finda anaise meeting. the election of john paul roim -- i overnight. he was prayerful and they picked him almost automatically and stame with pope john paul ii. you - pope benedict. i don't think we can tell at this point. >> monsingor, always good to see you and we'll pull for a longhornser or north american as you say. >> thank you, eric. >> libyans, thousands of therm marking the uprising that toppled gad gad. many are sporting flaggings on their cars and balloons and featuring the national colors. the new leader calling for unity in the nation. but the new libyan central government has little authority beyond the capitol of tripoli. the country is fractured. there are militia. >> explosion in baghdad this morning. 28 people were killed and dozens more wounded . here you can see burned out hulkings was -- buildings and cars. sunday is the beginning of the work day there. >> the national gun debate rages on and new quis of a po
>> we thought after john paul ii it would be a long conclave and they quickly elected joseph ratzinger. they might have one candidate that stands out and they finda anaise meeting. the election of john paul roim -- i overnight. he was prayerful and they picked him almost automatically and stame with pope john paul ii. you - pope benedict. i don't think we can tell at this point. >> monsingor, always good to see you and we'll pull for a longhornser or north american as you say....
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one was the american cardinal and joseph ratzinger you may have heard of who became benedict xvi. this time you have 50 conclave veterans in the sistine chapel, and i think therefore will be more inclined to think they ought to have say in what's happening. >> and i believe some 67 who have been elevated to cardinal by benedict xvi. >> that's right. all 115 were appointed by john paul or benedict. >> so as catholics around the world look to the possible direction the church might take, and in america we know there's a big wing of the roman catholics who is looking for a more progressive, more modern catholic church, that addresses the real issues of living in today's 21st century world, other parts of the word are much more traditional, much more conservative model. how do you see it going forward and to you think there will be an american pope for the first time? >> an american pope is a long shot, but for the first time it's thinkable. in the old idea you couldn't have a super power pope because america is too powerful and if you put that guy in, half the world will think vatica
one was the american cardinal and joseph ratzinger you may have heard of who became benedict xvi. this time you have 50 conclave veterans in the sistine chapel, and i think therefore will be more inclined to think they ought to have say in what's happening. >> and i believe some 67 who have been elevated to cardinal by benedict xvi. >> that's right. all 115 were appointed by john paul or benedict. >> so as catholics around the world look to the possible direction the church...
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behind those walls, behind those gaets now, pope emeritus, the former joseph ratzinger and we have the seat is vacant. the seat of peter is now vacant. father bartuni krc, your feelin? >> the feelings i've had all day. i'm feeming more. bitt bittersweet. nice to see how the decision of the pope is taken by the catholic faithful throughout the world. following what he believes to be the good for the church and many of us have come to really love him and respect him. and so, you really feel it. i mean, at this moment. well, there you go. at the same time, when you see the -- when you see the swiss guards kind of ending their duty for the time being, i can't help but thinking of the whole history of the papacy. they're a personal guard of the pope because the pope is attacked before. the vatican has been attacked in the 20 centuries of church. even though there's surprises in the past, the schurch is still here and god is still working through the church and so i feel a lot of hope, as well. kind of excitement about what might -- what the next couple of weeks might bring. >> we see the th
behind those walls, behind those gaets now, pope emeritus, the former joseph ratzinger and we have the seat is vacant. the seat of peter is now vacant. father bartuni krc, your feelin? >> the feelings i've had all day. i'm feeming more. bitt bittersweet. nice to see how the decision of the pope is taken by the catholic faithful throughout the world. following what he believes to be the good for the church and many of us have come to really love him and respect him. and so, you really feel...
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that's a great act of service to the church, and it's a great expression of the character of joseph ratzinger. >> kathy, let me go to you on this. what was your first reaction when you heard about this today? were you surprised? there's a lot of rumors around new york, by the way, that cardinal egan had been working on this for awhile and it had been kept silent but not entirely. were you shocked at this? what was your first reaction? >> absolutely shocked. thought it was a farce. had to look it up five times to see it was real. it's sad. really sad. i love this pope. there's so much love for this pope. and even though he's still going to be with us, it's really like a mourning of him, i think. some of us are experiencing. but i like what you said about humility. when we look at john paul ii's end, many people came away with his public suffering and death as thinking he's teaching us how to die. and now look at this pope. he's teaching us how to be humble. i think it's a beautiful lesson from pope benedict. >> george, it's a complicated question. but in a word as briefly as you can, how do yo
that's a great act of service to the church, and it's a great expression of the character of joseph ratzinger. >> kathy, let me go to you on this. what was your first reaction when you heard about this today? were you surprised? there's a lot of rumors around new york, by the way, that cardinal egan had been working on this for awhile and it had been kept silent but not entirely. were you shocked at this? what was your first reaction? >> absolutely shocked. thought it was a farce....
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they were very much in place under pope benedict xvi when he was cardinal joseph ratzinger. maybe it's time for someone outside of rome, who is not engrained in this culture, maybe it's time from someone from a developing nation, someone else to clean house. >> raymond, a former catholic friar in england spoke to christiane amanpour, and what he said, it really stuck with me. i wanted to play it for you. his name is mark dowd. here he is. >> homosexuality is the ticking time bomb in the catholic church. on the one hand, the church teaches that the condition of same-sex attraction is intrinsically disordered, those are ratzinger's own words from 1986, and yet we know that actually about half if not more of all the people attracted into seminaries and the priesthood are gay themselves. >> ratzinger is pope benedict. is this true? >> i think you have to step back for a second, erin. this is hardly a news flash. father donald cousins wrote about this 20 years ago. father andrew greeley coined the phrase lavender mafia talking about a subculture within the catholic church. but ba
they were very much in place under pope benedict xvi when he was cardinal joseph ratzinger. maybe it's time for someone outside of rome, who is not engrained in this culture, maybe it's time from someone from a developing nation, someone else to clean house. >> raymond, a former catholic friar in england spoke to christiane amanpour, and what he said, it really stuck with me. i wanted to play it for you. his name is mark dowd. here he is. >> homosexuality is the ticking time bomb in...
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i think benedict, joseph ratzinger wanted to be pope last team. he planned to do it. he gave a mark anthony speech. we all heard it during the funeral, which we covered last time. it looks to me like basically he has a 67 voters, majority of voters, in the college of cardinals that he has appointed personally. i think they'll be watching who he was. if he wants this fellow skoela, he is going to get him. >> it's not the ora of the papacy itself, and you, i think rightfully so, say that the decision could open up a period of soul-searching in the catholic church has, in fact, badly needed. >> right. that point about the most modern thing he did is a quote from michael sean winters, a very smart watcher and student of the catholic church. you know, i was listening to chris, and i think he has the politics broadly right, but this is kind of macciavelli versus the holy spirit here. >> which one? >> exactly. >> i don't represent the holy spirit. i just want to say those are the two views. because he is right. skola is the favorite going in, and the question is are all the
i think benedict, joseph ratzinger wanted to be pope last team. he planned to do it. he gave a mark anthony speech. we all heard it during the funeral, which we covered last time. it looks to me like basically he has a 67 voters, majority of voters, in the college of cardinals that he has appointed personally. i think they'll be watching who he was. if he wants this fellow skoela, he is going to get him. >> it's not the ora of the papacy itself, and you, i think rightfully so, say that...
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well, then came joseph ratzinger, a german, but then at that point they could choose to a non-italian being pope. if our catholics, and especially catholics in rome and in italy, are they ready for a noneuropean? yes, i think so. they have come to understand that what really matters is the passion, the stamina, the strength, and the message that a pope sends out and how he delivers it. they embrace that and understand that the world is now a worldwide church. that the catholic church is now a worldwide church. yes, i think there are ready. they're not -- i don't think they are particularly too bothered about the fact that the next pope will be italian. they just want to know who is next because that's always a massive event here in rome. when the white smoke comes out of the sistine chapel, people will be charging here down the big street from rome into the vatican because everyone wantston who their new pope is. that's exciting. >> george, you talk about the challenges that the first has faced. is that going to be part of this conversation, the scandals here, and else where in the wo
well, then came joseph ratzinger, a german, but then at that point they could choose to a non-italian being pope. if our catholics, and especially catholics in rome and in italy, are they ready for a noneuropean? yes, i think so. they have come to understand that what really matters is the passion, the stamina, the strength, and the message that a pope sends out and how he delivers it. they embrace that and understand that the world is now a worldwide church. that the catholic church is now a...
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when john paul died, we knew that joseph ratzinger who became pope benedict xvi, he was a very powerful man in the vatican the pope's enforcer in some ways. we all knew his name. we don't really know the names of any of these people now. but, so it's going to be a much more diverse, i think, selection process. >> what are the chances that we'll see a pope from central america or africa? >> it will tough to do that. majority of the catholics are in the southern hemisphere. growing church in africa and latin america. it would make a lot of sense to do that. i think it would be pretty hard to wrestle the power away from europe especially the italians. >> all right, it will be a really interesting couple of weeks. cokie, thank you so much. >>> elizabeth thanks. now to the other big headlines. the extreme weather slamming the country. tornadoes tearing across the country. sam is tracking it all. two blizzards. a real round of severe storms. we'll start with the pictures out of minnesota. it was the sunday blizzard. not the friday one. the one in the middle of country that put anywhere from 1
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. >> reporter: as cardinals joseph ratzinger, he was labelled god's rottweiler. he was shown a gentle side. never more so than meeting with sex abuse victims in his 2008 trip in the u.s. he saved his biggest surprise for last says john thamus who covered the vatican for 30 years. >> he will be remembered as the pope who resigned. it will be greatest gift to the church. >> reporter: currently, the conclave to elect the successor to benedict xvi is to happen between march 15th and march 20th. there is talk of moving that date up. all of the cardinals are expected to be here on february 28th. alex, back to you. >>> anne thompson, thank you. the blame game on tsequestratio. the new york times says those will cut 14,000 teachers and employees. and 250,000 civilians employed by the army could be furloughed for up to 22 days. aircraft would forego maintenance. >> it's the president who proposed this sequester. is the house with smarter cuts in other areas of government. >> the fact is this was never the president's idea. this was the result of hostage politics in the re
. >> reporter: as cardinals joseph ratzinger, he was labelled god's rottweiler. he was shown a gentle side. never more so than meeting with sex abuse victims in his 2008 trip in the u.s. he saved his biggest surprise for last says john thamus who covered the vatican for 30 years. >> he will be remembered as the pope who resigned. it will be greatest gift to the church. >> reporter: currently, the conclave to elect the successor to benedict xvi is to happen between march 15th...
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she wrote about her friend when he was just cardinal joseph ratzinger. >> john paul ii was much more vigorous. when he wanted something, he was really now! joseph ratzinger is not now, but is trying to convince -- maybe try to convince to make these people reasoning in a certain way, but he didn't succeed. >> reporter: even the most faithful say his legacy will be m mixed with great accolades for his teachings and writings but criticism for some of his leadership. >> success is hard to say. it's not that there's been highs and lows but issues to deal with that have been very serious. >> reporter: the abuse of children by priests has driven people away from the church. >> i think there are all kinds of rules and regulations that have been set up to protect children more so that this does not happen again. >> reporter: the growing consensus is that the next pope must be a strong manager, able to take on the challenges and reign in a dysfunction al. able to lead this institution and charisma never hurt. >> i hope he will be a man with a vision and can move forward. say to the crowd i lo
she wrote about her friend when he was just cardinal joseph ratzinger. >> john paul ii was much more vigorous. when he wanted something, he was really now! joseph ratzinger is not now, but is trying to convince -- maybe try to convince to make these people reasoning in a certain way, but he didn't succeed. >> reporter: even the most faithful say his legacy will be m mixed with great accolades for his teachings and writings but criticism for some of his leadership. >> success...
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take his old name, joseph ratzinger. will he be able to counsel the next pope? >> well, if the next pope would like it, i'm sure he could. however, if -- some people have suggested, wait a minute. you're going to have two popes at work. that's not true. the pope is retiring because he wants to retire. if he wanted to have influence on the church still, he would stay as pope. i would expect very much -- the fact he's going to a monastery -- will be living in a monastery is significant. he wants a quiet life of study and of prayer. if the new pope wants to ask his counsel, he's clearly going to give it. but he's not going to go -- he's not going to be there looking to try to influence the next pope. >> and the new -- the cardinals will be meeting right after the pope resigns on february 28th at 8:00 p.m. will the deliberations about the next pope begin immediately? >> they could begin. we'll find out that in the next few days. they could technically begin as early as the day after, as early as march 1st. but you have to remember, it's never the conclave, which beg
take his old name, joseph ratzinger. will he be able to counsel the next pope? >> well, if the next pope would like it, i'm sure he could. however, if -- some people have suggested, wait a minute. you're going to have two popes at work. that's not true. the pope is retiring because he wants to retire. if he wanted to have influence on the church still, he would stay as pope. i would expect very much -- the fact he's going to a monastery -- will be living in a monastery is significant. he...
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and joseph ratzinger was just a professor. he got better at it. people embraced him for what he was. george was mentioning the humility. he didn't have body language, but they saw by his nonbody language, his humility. you always sensed he was surprised that all these people had shown up for me. people grabbed that. they realized that. and i think for that reason, they were also willing to listen to him. >> we see now, matt, of course, the helicopter that will take the pope to his place of residence the next couple of months, castel gandolfo. >> and he won't be alone in the helicopter, father bearron, thee are aides flying with him? >> and the monsignor just in recent weeks names as archbishop and acting as pope benedict's private secretary. he's been a major player in the life of pope benedict. we should also mention that once he arrives at gandolfo, he's expected to be greeted by the mayor of that city. as well as many of its residents. i think they're expecting as many as 8,000 people, to try to get a glimpse of this pope who is not yet the for
and joseph ratzinger was just a professor. he got better at it. people embraced him for what he was. george was mentioning the humility. he didn't have body language, but they saw by his nonbody language, his humility. you always sensed he was surprised that all these people had shown up for me. people grabbed that. they realized that. and i think for that reason, they were also willing to listen to him. >> we see now, matt, of course, the helicopter that will take the pope to his place...
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member of the ee legal swiss guard who protected the holy and also knew benedict when benedict was joseph ratzinger. >> he could work with a real crowd and with his experience in theater and poetry and everything, he would really reach people like that. >> widmer, an author who teaches at catholic university, says as a swiss guard you never spoke to a pope or cardinal unless he addressed you first but he and benedict would chat when benedict was waiting to see pope john paul. >> completely open. >> reporter: what was he like to talk to? >> very -- he would ask me what my interests were and how i felt and how i saw things. >> reporter: and with a sense of humor, like when benedict offered to sign widmer's copy of a book that he written which was pretty thick. >> when i gave it to him he said, you're really reading this? and i said, i'm trying. he said, it helps to do it in small steps. >> reporter: but he also had a personal crisis as a guard, spending his first christmas away from home. john paul helped him through that. >> i sort of had a meltdown and right at that moment he comes out of
member of the ee legal swiss guard who protected the holy and also knew benedict when benedict was joseph ratzinger. >> he could work with a real crowd and with his experience in theater and poetry and everything, he would really reach people like that. >> widmer, an author who teaches at catholic university, says as a swiss guard you never spoke to a pope or cardinal unless he addressed you first but he and benedict would chat when benedict was waiting to see pope john paul....
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ratzinger, the new pope, i was on the first plane to bavaria to do the story about this new man's life, this new pope's life. anyway, yes, it was emotional. we heard him speaking english, which was interesting because we're used to hearing him speak primarily in italian. it was clear from today's general audience, it was a different speech. normally it's a catechism. this was really a reflection on his decision and his thanks to the people who supported him and to the faithful who accepted his decision to step down from his post. very unusual moment and historic moment in that people generally don't get chance to say farewell to a pope. a pope passes on and then another one is elected. so this was a very special moment and he clearly was emotional and spoke about how his time as pope had been full of joy, but also full of difficult moments and i think we can read into that in many ways. but he said most importantly that they never felt alone, that he felt he was asked to do this job. he didn't seek it out. and he was guided the entire time. now the clock is ticking. this was his last p
ratzinger, the new pope, i was on the first plane to bavaria to do the story about this new man's life, this new pope's life. anyway, yes, it was emotional. we heard him speaking english, which was interesting because we're used to hearing him speak primarily in italian. it was clear from today's general audience, it was a different speech. normally it's a catechism. this was really a reflection on his decision and his thanks to the people who supported him and to the faithful who accepted his...
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. >> joseph ratzinger, cardinal ratzinger then was 78 years old when he got this job and was actually looking at retirement. he was ready to step down. >> right. >> but obviously the vatican calls -- >> he was moving to boca. hey, how do you know, mika brzezinski, that your church, the catholic church, is in serious, serious trouble? >> how? >> when mike barnicle is speaking. when he becomes -- >> when i'm at the pope desk. >> when he's at the pope desk. where is pat buchanan? hey, somebody call pat buchanan and wake him up. what's up next? >>> well, we're going to talk about the state of the union next. coming up, deputy majority whip congressman tom cole will join us. also former deputy campaign manager for the obama campaign, stephanie cutter will be here to preview the president's state of the union address. and later, we'll talk to nbc news chief white house correspondent, chuck todd. and "new york times" columnist gail collins. and in just a few minutes, sports columnist for the "new york daily news," mike lupica joins the table. he knows it's true. look at him, he looks guilty.
. >> joseph ratzinger, cardinal ratzinger then was 78 years old when he got this job and was actually looking at retirement. he was ready to step down. >> right. >> but obviously the vatican calls -- >> he was moving to boca. hey, how do you know, mika brzezinski, that your church, the catholic church, is in serious, serious trouble? >> how? >> when mike barnicle is speaking. when he becomes -- >> when i'm at the pope desk. >> when he's at the...
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and with that, after eight years, formal cardinal joseph rat ratzinger retires as pop. as we continue to see what the conclave will do as we search for his successor as the entire world watches what is happening with him. >>> got some breaking news out of the new york fed. a hard right turn here to steve liesman. >> why does this always happen to me, carl? >> hard to follow the pope, my man. >> exactly. let me do my best. the new york fed reporting that total consumer indebtedness rising a scant 3% to 11.3 trillion. housing debt was flat. it was a small gain but the first gain we've seen since the first quarter of 2011, that was thought to be a bit of a statistical anomaly. so maybe this is the first real gain. let me show you what rose. auto loans up 15 billion. credit cards up 5 billion. the perennial student loans up 10 billion and they have been rising quite a bit. delinquencies are quite high. all delinquencies declined except for student loans and they were up almost 12% and probably because of a whole bunch of different reasons, carl, they could be twice as high
and with that, after eight years, formal cardinal joseph rat ratzinger retires as pop. as we continue to see what the conclave will do as we search for his successor as the entire world watches what is happening with him. >>> got some breaking news out of the new york fed. a hard right turn here to steve liesman. >> why does this always happen to me, carl? >> hard to follow the pope, my man. >> exactly. let me do my best. the new york fed reporting that total consumer...